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#1: Why was writing from an objective point of view necessary for Wiesel’s
completion of his memoir? Why did it
take courage for Wiesel to begin with Moshe the Beadle?
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I believe that Wiesel needed to write from an objective point of view so that his readers would read the story that is all fact. He doesn't need to add in his emotions or interject his feelings because the events he recalls is enough to tell the story. Objective means that something is not influenced by personal feelings, so he probably thought that the readers would be able to feel the emotions that just the events created alone and without adding his views. I also believe that him writing this memoir was already personal enough, and adding in his feelings would lead Wiesel into an emotion battle that he would being facing just by writing down the occurrences of his past."Night" was his first writing published about his experiences of the Holocaust, so I do not think he would immediately input his emotions. Moshe the Beadle was someone who Elie respected the most in his community. When Moshe came back from being captured by the Hungarians Elie said the people of Sighet and even himself labeled Moshe the Beadle as mad and disregarded his warnings. If the town would have heeded Moshe's warning they might have been able to escape from the the Hungarian police. This took courage because Elie had to write and him betraying his beloved teacher.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that just retelling the events themselves are enough to show that things that happened in the book were sadly true. However, I disagree with you that Moshe the Beadle was the person Elie respected most in the community. We learn later in the book that Elie respects his father's decisions and commands over all others, but then when Moshe returns with his story Elie immediately does not believe him and begins to question him. I believe if Moshe was the person Elie most respected in the community, he would have thought at least for a moment that Moshe wouldn't lie, and he respects his father more than Moshe.
DeleteI agree with what said. Elie did believe in his father more then his teacher. I think he respected Moshe because one it was his teacher and two Moshe was wise.
DeleteIt was necessary for Elie Wiesel to write from an objective point of view because if early on he had viewed things like the woman in the train's warnings with a biased perspective favoring himself, the reader could be lead to believe it would carry over into other, more controversial events. It also shows that Wiesel does not consider anyone who turned a blind eye free from blame on any part, as shown by his clear displeasure with himself and the other Jews for not believing Moshe the Beadle's story and how he and the other Jews mistreated Madame Schachter. It took courage for Wiesel to begin with Moshe the Beadle because it shows how he and the other Jews chose to remain oblivious to the horrors that were about to happen to them, even though an example of one was right in front of them. It shows that Wiesel is willing to admit that he and the Jews of Sighet had lots of signs of their impending doom, but chose to act as if they weren't there.
ReplyDeleteI do like that you included evidence from the book, specifically about Madame Schächter, who played a very important role in the novel. Including evidence helped your case in showing why it was necessary for Elie Wiesel to write from an objective point of view. Along with that, I found that your interpretation of why Elie Wiesel introduced the novel with Moché the Beadle was pretty accurate and unique. I did not even think that Wiesel starting the novel with Moché the Beadle possibly meant that he would be admitting there were mistakes made.
DeleteElie Wiesel writing in an objective point of view for his memoir was necessary because, the book was to point out the events and everything that he endured during the holocaust. If it was subjective, it could have sounded different than what it was really like in the holocaust. With the objective point of view, stating the facts of everything that happened, makes the reader see how realistic the pain was and can see the events through the authors eyes without any opinion. It took courage for Elie Wiesel to begin with Moshe the Beadle because it was like an opener to the beginning of it all. When Moshe the Beadle was called to leave with other Jews and he had an experience where the Nazis made people dig their own graves and babies were shot and killed in mid air, this made both the reader and the author see how much of a reality this torture was. Everyone ended up thinking that he was a crazy man, but he tried to warn everyone of what was going to happen. That does take courage.
ReplyDeleteI agree with the how it took courage for Elie to start with Moshe the Beadle. Your explanation and details about why you think Elie started with Moshe went very well together. I think because you put objective and subjective within your argument, you should explain in more detail how they would be different by giving examples.
DeleteI agree that introducing Moshe is the start of everything but I also believe that it could have been due to their close relationship as well. I think your reasoning for the objective point of view is well put.
DeleteIt was necessary for Elie Wiesel to write from an objective point of view otherwise he may not have been able to write Night in the first place. The Holocaust was full of lost hopes, misery, and bloodshed. To experience the Holocaust and survive while others you knew and love died was rough.To have to go back to this time of pain and write or talk about it from a personal viewpoint can dredge up feelings and events that are hard to cope with. These feelings and events are more preferable hidden than out in the open. Elie Wiesel most likely felt that writing from an objective viewpoint not only helped him maintain his emotional levels but also helped him to give the readers a clear and precise understanding of what went on during the time of the Holocaust. It took Elie Wiesel courage to begin writing with Moshe the Beadle because it shows how he and the other Jews in his hometown decided to deny anything would or could happen to them in the way Moshe described. It was hard for Elie to admitt that he had disregarded the warnings of his teacher who he haad respected and cared for.
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with your take on this question. The struggle that those who survived the Holocaust had to go through are unimaginable, and I wouldn't know how that would feel to retell their experiences except for painful. I'm sure that Wiesel did not want to reproduce those feelings by retelling this story in a subjective point of view. Our emotions are so powerful and make up a lot of who we are as people, so think about that and adding what it must have felt like in the Holocaust. I also agree with what you said about Moshe. It took courage because Elie indirectly betrayed his mentor by not even wanting to listen to Moshe's story of the camps.
DeleteI agree with you that Elie may not have wanted to inject his feelings into the novel because they were just to hard to talk about. We see an extent of this when the people who survived in the concentration camps refuse to talk about the people who disappeared and were likely killed. I also believe that he didn't want to put feelings into the novel because it would have made the book too long. If Elie had stopped to talk about every feeling he felt in every moment the book would be much longer, because in every moment during the things he went through there must have been a whirlwind of emotions.
DeleteElie writes in an objective point of view to tell the reader all his experiences are real. Objective point of view states the facts and experiences of Elie. In “Night” Elie tells his story about the Holocaust in his experiences. If the book was in subjective point of view the book would be based on his feeling towards the holocaust it would not have his experiences. The book would just be the feeling of Elie. Moshe the Beadle was the person that really opened up Elie when he was young; he was also the one that told his story about what the Germans were doing. Unfortunately no one believed him and what he warranted about happened. Elie learned a lot from Moshe the Beadle was a mentor.
ReplyDeleteI like your contrast of objective and subjective. You gave your opinion of how you thought the story would turn out differently if it was subjective. Your opionin about how the story would turn out if it was written in an subjective point of view is interesting because I would of never thought it would of just been feelings based. I thought it would be facts and feelings not feelings only.
DeleteYour comparison to objective and subjective points of view makes since but what examples can you provide so someone that may not have read or is not reading the book can understand? The way you introduced that Moshe had Elie open up is very interesting, I hadn't thought of it till you wrote it.
DeleteIt was necessary for Elie Wiesel to write from an objective point of view so that he could give the readers a more factual story and not put his emotions or feelings but let the readers develop those emotions alone. Writing from an objective point of view helps you get a more real and deeper image of what was happening during the Holocaust. If the story would've been written in a subjective point of view we could of agreed or disagreed with how Wiesel was feeling. It took courage for Wiesel to begin with Moshe the Beadle because he didn't want to admit that he and the people that went through the camps could of avoided that had they listened to Moshe. Wiesel also didn't want to actknowledge the fact that he didn't listen or obey his teacher. Moshe tried to warn everyone in the village how the Gestapo had killed many Jews and babies so that they could prepare but instead the Jews thought Moshe was a madman.
ReplyDeleteI completely agree with your statement and I also like how you added the fact that it took courage for Elie Wiesel to start with Moche the Beadle because he didn't want to admit that he and the people could have avoided it if they listened to Moche. I wouldn't say though that he didn't listen or obey Moche the Beadle, because they had conversations in the synagogue about faith and why Elie prayed, but if you're speaking of how he was in denial of the story that he brought back, then yes.
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DeleteI agree with you in that Elie Wiesel wanted the readers to go about the story with their own emotions. Although I don't agree that writing from an objective point of view only can give you a deeper image of what was happening during the Holocaust. Without some bias it is hard to connect with the characters. Connections are important because it helps us identify with the story and see the message the author is trying to tell us.
DeleteI agree with your idea that Elie wanted to give a factual and impartial view of the story. Do you think it was necessary that he did so?
DeleteTo write in an objective point of view means to tell what happens without stating more than can be inferred from the story's action and dialogue. It was necessary for Elie Wiesel to write in an objective point of view to give his audience and unbiased and unattached view of what he went through. If he would have shown a more emotional form of writing the audience would have felt the same way. Elie Wiesel wanted to allow the audience to read his purely factual experiences and derive their own feelings on what was happening. I think that it took Elie Wiesel courage to write about Moché the Beadle because he was a very personal aspect of Elie Wiesel's life. The fact that Elie Wiesel included such a personal, yet vital, part of his life in the story contradicted the idea of an objective point of view.
ReplyDeleteI agree with how if Elie would have written the memoir with emotions we would have agreed with him instead of getting our own feelings on what was happening. Your opinion on why it took courage for Elie to write about Moshe makes sense. I also agree with how Elie wanted to give us his purely factual experiences.
DeleteI agree with everything you said. How Elie Wiesel went from experiencing the holocaust to writing about it the book would turn out a very good objective point of view.
DeleteIt was necessary for Ellie Wiesel to write in an objective point of view because there wouldn't be no point of Night if he wasn't going to tell the truth.The objective point of view allows the reader to have their own feelings about what was happening. And if he had a subjective point of view we would have got the whole story.I feel like the objective point of view somewhat tell us this and other Jews story in one. It took courage for Ellie to start with Moche The Beadle because Moche was a poor awkward man and his mother didn't want him to start yet.
ReplyDeleteThe way you went about answering this question was interesting as I have not thought about Wiesel's use of objectiveness in that way. I see what you mean by saying that him being objective would mean that the story would not be thrown off by stating untrue points in the story. While I see where you are coming from, I don't think that Wiesel would have lied in "Night". It is a memoir which means it tells an event from his life, I don't think that he would have taken his time to write a painful book if his purpose was to not tell the truth. I was also wondering what you meant by saying that Elie was brave for mentioning Moshe first just because he was poor and his mom didn't want him to.
DeleteThe way you answered the question was very interesting. I see what you mean a little, when you say if it wasn't objective, there would be no point since it wouldn't be the truth. I feel as if though there would have been truth in there, it just would be more opinionated and bias with facts, but they might have been exaggerated. I don't understand what you mean though by "if he had a subjective point of view we would have got the whole story." Also what other ways could he have had courage to start with Moche the Beadle? I don't understand how that took courage because he was a poor awkward man.
DeleteI agree with your post, If we aren't objective, whats the point.
DeleteI believe it was necessary for Elie Wiesel to write in an objective point of view because he wanted the readers to know the absolute facts. I believe he felt that the facts alone were enough to bring out emotions form the reader, he also may have wanted the reader to not feel as if they were simply reading a story about the Holocaust, he may have wanted them to feel the deepening impact of the horrid event for themselves.It took a great amount of courage for Wiesel to begin with Moche The Beadle because at that time Moche was the only person willing to teach Wiesel all that he wanted to know about his God and religion, though when Moche returned and warned him and the other Jews about what happened to him, Wiesel and the others did not listen to him when it counted the most. Wiesel most likely feels as if he truly should have listened to Moche, as he has listened to Moche about everything else.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you in that Elie Wiesel saw that adding mainly facts could create enough of an emotional connection for the readers. Although wouldn't you agree that there was some subtle subjectiveness in his writing? For readers to read night and feel like they themselves were going through the Holocaust you have to have some bias. This is because simply having a biased point of view wouldn't give the reader the feel that this story actually happened and caused people terrible pain.
DeleteI agree with how just the facts were enough to bring out emotions from the reader. I like how you include Elie's purpose to make the reader feel the deepening impact of the horrific event. Weisel most certainly feels like he should have listend to Moshe's warnings. I like how you inlcude background information of who Moshe was to Elie.
Deletewriting from an objective point of view was necessary for Elie because he need to give the reader to chance to for their own opinions and explore their own feelings while reading the text. to do so Elie would have to let the story revolve around the facts of his experineces with no bias. It took couatbge for Elie to start Night" becasue it was the most traumatic and life changing moments hees eveer experinecd. In the memeoir Elie explains that Miche had attempted multiple times to warn the Jewish community os sighet. to include the fact that that the even that changed his life could've have potentially been avoided if everyone around him had just listened at the beginning.
ReplyDeleteI enjoy the part of your response where you point out that Elie may have wanted the reader to explore their own feelings, instead of having the readers only focus on how Elie may have felt. I'd like to ask why you think Elie didn't want to write his memoir at first?
DeleteI totally agree with your first sentence avery. I also thing that is why Elie wrote in a objective POV.
DeleteElie Wiesel wrote in an objective point of view because he needed us, as the reader, to understand what he went through. Telling the story based off of facts or unbiased statements gives the reader a chance to visually see what Elie went through while reading the memoir "Night". I think it took courage for Wiesel to start with Moshe because was his mentor and also the warning for the town of Sighet. Even though Elie and the town of Sighet was skeptical about what Moshe said, Elie was still optimistic about everything because of the religious connection he had with Moshe. I think Elie needed us, as the reader, to understand his religious background and connection with Moshe so, we can understand the story better.
ReplyDeleteI agree with your statement saying that in order for us to have a better understanding of the story we would have to know the origins of his religion and we would not be able to know that if he did not instroduce Moché the Beadle. I also liked that you included the fact that Elie Wiesel seemed to be more sympathetic towards Moché after his experience due to the fact that they were very close.
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DeleteI agree with your answer of why Ellie wrote in an objective point of view. I agree that if he didn't we wouldn't have an great understanding.
DeleteIt was necessary for the memoir to be objective so that the facts are correct and not directed by emotion. If it hadn't been objective it would have been confusing for the read since not everyone shares the same feelings or thinks the same way. As for starting with Moshe the Beadle, it takes courage to start with him because he influenced Ellie's life the most. When Elie met Moshe the Beadle they became companions in their faith, creating a bond between them. When Moshe came back to warn the Jews no one believed him; not even Elie! When looking back on the past Elie must feel guilty for not trusting the words and actions of a friend he should have believed.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you about the memoir not being directed by emotions because that would mean that the memoir is in subjective POV.
DeleteI was necessary for Elie to wright from an objective standpoint because if he didn't, then what realy happened in the Holocaust would be lost, and the fact would be influenced by opinions. I was brave to start with Moshe the Beadle becous it said that he ignored the warnings, and he could have done something, but he didn't.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you said about if it wasn't written in a objective standpoint the Holocaust would be lost because the truth and what actually happened would be lost because it wasn't shared.
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